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For some reason, female characters seem to have rape, pregnancy, and miscarriage in their top five choices for character growth. In my opinion, that's bovine-sourced organic fertilizer.
I'm just going to name some female characters. How many were or were implied to have been canonically raped, pregnant, or miscarried by way of character development? If its so prevalent, it should be most of 'em, right?

Chell (Portal)
Glados (Portal)
Alyx Vance (Half-Life)
Jade (Beyond Good and Evil)
Nariko (Heavenly Sword)
Faith Connors (Mirror's Edge)
Samus Aran (Metroid)
Princess Peach (Super Mario)
Jessie (Pokemon)
Misty (Pokemon)
Dawn (Pokemon)
Marge Simpson (The Simpsons)
Lois Griffin (Family Guy)
Meg Griffin (Family Guy)
Beverly Crusher (Star Trek)
Tori (Star Trek)
Jane Eyre
Portia (Merchant of Venice)
Juliet (Romeo and Juliet)
Batwoman (Batman)
Stephanie Brown (Batman)
Cassie Cain (Batman)
Catwoman (Batman)
Wonder Woman
The vast majority of Joss Whedon characters
Katniss Everdeen (The Hunger Games, though I still haven't finished the third book)
Uhura (Star Trek)
Kara "Starbuck" Thrace (BSG)
Eliza Doolitte (My Fair Lady)
Anya Stroud (Gears of War)
Hermione Granger (Harry Potter)
Molly Weasley (Harry Potter)
Bellatrix Black (Harry Potter)
Rose Tyler (Doctor Who)
Martha Jones (Doctor Who)
Astrid Peth (Doctor Who)
River Song (Doctor Who)
Sarah Jane Smith (Doctor Who)
Donna Noble (Doctor Who)
Amy Pond (Doctor Who)

Please note that I actually had to remove some of the Doctor's female companions.

I'm not sure what's so wrong with pregnancy to advance the character development. It's not like men often get pregnant, and an SO's pregnancy is often used as character development for men as well.

The odd thing is that I've seen plenty of people say women's rapes aren't discussed enough (it's not like there's a Law and Order show focused mainly on sexual assault or anything), but then they turn around and complain that it's used too much. I've had someone who agreed with the former move goalposts to say they were doing it "wrong" and they should "fix" the new Tomb Raider game by removing any explicit reference to Lara being sexually assaulted. And, as always, there's nary a peep when media show men being sexually assaulted. Heck, it's often played as a joke.

I've been hearing this a lot lately, except it's just been "sexual assault". Dornbeast tacked pregnancy and miscarriage onto it by way of moving goalposts (note that the post she was responding to said nothing about pregnancy or miscarriage), and it's still wrong.

I mean, you could even include Ellen Ripley, under a very loose definition of "pregnancy", except she's commonly cited as one of the best Strong Female Characters ever.

Personally, I think male sexual assault should be discussed more, and shouldn't be a joke. You want equality, you got it; let's make male rape as bad as female rape. Let's get the FBI to change their definition so women can actually rape by envelopment, as well as the other places where men can't be RBE, like the UK. Let's devote more resources to male victims of domestic abuse, which make up around 40% of the total in the US. Let's try to end prison rape, which disproportionately affects men. Let's ask why men who have been raped, including a then 12-year old boy, have been forced to pay child support. Lets change the Safe Haven laws so they're unisex. Lets give men as many contraception options as women. Lets have women added to the draft.

Of course, people will then start asking why feminism, which is supposedly about equality, wasn't doing all of this already.

Date: 2012-10-22 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'm too tired to even try to make a sarcastic satirical reply about patriarchy rape culture schrodinger's rapist a BLUH BLUH BLUH.

The latest Tomb Raider shenanigans back when that trailer came out made me grind my teeth. For fuck's sakes, apparently no-one's allowed to do anything broaching these oh-so-fucking-taboo subjects unless they fulfil the ethereal, undefined requirements of every single fucking feminist on the planet to 'respectfully' treat the subject of sexual assault or rape. A literal impossibility.

Date: 2012-10-22 03:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
And when they apologized, people were still grumbling. They couldn't say what they were actually grumbling about, mind.

Of course, there's the fact that almost none of them paid any attention to the fact that as a result of Lara resisting the attempted rape, she is nearly killed. I literally heard not a single good argument as to why they shouldn't do it. All I heard was incorrect generalizations like the ones I just quoted, about how "all female characters" have to go through rape or attempted rape, which is an outright lie.

Date: 2012-10-23 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Well lets be honest here, that wasn't the exact quote. I still think it's arse-gravy of the highest order, but I would attribute the assertion to selective thinking and confirmation bias more than anything else.

To add to your list:

All the primary female characters of Wheel of Time (there's probably some shit buried in there with minor characters, the Forsaken or the Shaido, it's been a long time since I read some of those books)
Eowyn (Lord of the Rings)
Ariadne (Inception)
Aki Ross (Final Fantasy: TSW)
Clara Clayton (Back To The Future)
Sarah Connor (Terminator)
Dory (Finding Nemo)
Granny Weatherwax (Discworld)
Nanny Ogg (Discworld)
Leia Organa (Star Wars)
Mon Mothma (Star Wars EU)
Zia (Bastion)
Malik (Deus Ex: HR)
Captain Shinobu Nagumo (Patlabor)
Noa Izumi (Patlabor)
Kanuka Clancy (Patlabor)
George (Famous Five)
Anne (Famous Five)
Stephanie Plum (One For The Money)

Date: 2012-10-23 07:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
It worries me that so many feminists seem to believe women are only victims and men are only oppressors (unless they listen to feminists). Even when you point out ways men are disadvantaged, it's supposedly fault of "the Patriarchy" (IE men).

Date: 2012-10-23 10:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
The absurdity of the statement is just...yeah. I find it hard to fathom how this shit is being taught in universities without some kind of sanity checking.

I suppose the poison can only recirculate for so long before young men and women finally reject it outright and break the feedback cycle. At least, I certainly hope so.

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